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Good articleParliament Hill has been listed as one of the Art and architecture good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Did You Know Article milestones
DateProcessResult
May 5, 2021Peer reviewReviewed
May 29, 2021Guild of Copy EditorsCopyedited
June 9, 2021Good article nomineeListed
July 7, 2023Peer reviewReviewed
August 30, 2023Guild of Copy EditorsCopyedited
November 14, 2023Featured article candidateNot promoted
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 2, 2021.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the site of Parliament Hill (pictured) was previously called Barrack Hill and had been intended for development as a major military base?
Current status: Former featured article candidate, current good article


Request image of Robert Borden statue

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With fingers freezing I was able to get a nice shot of the Borden statue today. No people around to get in the way. DGERobertson (talk) 00:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Crown Land"

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To my knowledge, Parliament Hill is part of the unceded Algonquin Territory, which has never been ceded to the Crown by means of a treaty or otherwise and with regards to which negotiations between the Algonquin and the governments of Canada and Ontario are currently ongoing (http://www.aboriginalaffairs.gov.on.ca/english/negotiate/algonquin/algonquin.asp). Thus, it is not "crown land", right? I have made the appropriate edit but if somebody else has sources that confirm that this is indeed considered crown land, feel free to change it back and but leave the Algonquin aspect in there as well since it's important (and shows respect to acknowledge the traditional stewards of the shared territory). krueschan (talk) 20:20, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is crown land - however there is a land claim that has been in limbo for some time. see here (algonquins claim the whole Ottawa Valley -The Algonquin land claim covers a territory of 36,000 square kilometres (8.9 million acres) that fall within the Ontario portion of the Ottawa and Mattawa River watersheds)- but at no time has the government moved from its position that it is crown land. 90 percent of Canadian Territory has this type of land claim. Moxy (talk) 20:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reference for Dominion Sculptor

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I've added a reference for the title "Dominion Sculptor." It sounds archaic, but the title was never, "Chief Sculptor" as was previously indicated. The reference makes that clear. The reference is an article from Public Works & Government Services Canada's website - the department that officially employs the Dominion Sculptor. Thanks. --Charlie Inks (talk) 21:08, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Which one is right?

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Which official name designated by the National Historic Site of Canada is right (based on the template explanation on the right side)? Is it

Parliament Buildings National Historic Site of Canada

or

Grounds of the Parliament Buildings National Historic Site of Canada

? Komitsuki (talk) 11:18, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

October 22 shootings

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Please direct all edits regarding the October 22 shootings to 2014 Canadian Parliament Hill attack. --Natural RX 15:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Reidgreg (talk · contribs) 13:30, 31 May 2021 (UTC) Nominator: Aknell4 (talk · contribs)[reply]

Review to be forthcoming. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:30, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and made some minor MOS edits to the article; if you disagree with that, feel free to revert and we can discuss as part of this review. I'm still working on the review but quickly spotted the lack of referencing in the tables at the end. I thought that I would bring that to your attention and give you a chance to work on it while I complete my review. Please only edit those sections at the end of the article until I finish my review. Thanks. – Reidgreg (talk) 17:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, full review finished. I tried to be thorough, so there are a lot of little things to address. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:53, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Criterion

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I'll update progress here as this proceeds.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
    Checked by multiple copyeditors
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Review comments

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Prose
  • European traders, adventurers, and industrialists no need to link Europe.
  • which was answered with 298 submitted drawings. The entries were narrowed down to three This is a rather fine point. MOS:NUMNOTES makes an exception to MOS:SPELL09 for comparable values, recommending that they be in the same format. However, I don't feel it's a problem here and I suspect that there would be consensus for SPELL09 in this case.
  • The entries were narrowed down to three, but the panel of judges could not decide on who came first or second. Since the subject of the first clause is the entries, I feel like the who should either be which or whose design.
  • I feel that the following sentence is too long: The Centre Block, departmental buildings, and a new residence for the governor general were each awarded separately, the team of Thomas Fuller and Chilion Jones, under the pseudonym of Semper Paratus (Always Ready), winning the prize for the first category with their Victorian High Gothic scheme of a formal, symmetrical front facing a quadrangle and a more rustic, picturesque back facing the escarpment overlooking the Ottawa River. Also, is it too much detail to include their pseudonyms for the contest? How about: The Centre Block, departmental buildings, and a new governor general's residence were each awarded separately. The first was awarded to the team of Thomas Fuller and Chilion Jones with their Victorian High Gothic scheme of a formal, symmetrical front facing a quadrangle and a more rustic, picturesque back facing the escarpment overlooking the Ottawa River.
    • Possibly modify the sentence following that above to match.
    • Should we bother mentioning the governor general's residence in the competition, since it was not built due to cost overruns and would not have been built on Parliament Hill?
  • Public Works reported that $1,424,882.55 had been spent on the venture Do you think that might be too much precision for a summary? Perhaps "over $1.4 million" would be better? It's the scale of the figure (nearly triple the allocated budget) that's important.
  • Two years later, the unfinished site hosted a celebration of Queen Victoria's birthday, further cementing the area's position as the central place for national celebration. The article doesn't seem to mention any celebration at the site prior to this, unless you count the Prince of Wales laying the cornerstone. Suggest removing further (or perhaps including some mention of notable earlier national celebrations).
  • in commemoration of the Canadians who had lost their lives unlink Canadians
  • The British military gave a nine-pound naval cannon to the British army garrison stationed in Ottawa in 1854. It was purchased by the Canadian government in 1869 and fired on Parliament Hill for many years as the “Noonday Gun". This needs more paraphrasing; the underlined portions are the same as the source. Suggest: The British military allocated a nine-pound naval cannon to Ottawa's British army garrison in 1854. The Dominion of Canada purchased it in 1869 and fired it on Parliament Hill as the "Noonday Gun" for many years. (Found this story in Macleans from 1944, there are a couple paragraphs on "Old Chum" about halfway down, though they have a brought-bought typo.)
  • The Queen's Diamond Jubilee was commemorated by a specially tinted window in the Centre Block on 6 February 2012 I feel like this should either be "was commemorated with" or "is commemorated by", possibly changing the structure of what follows in the latter case.
  • to bring the Parliament buildings to modern safety standards and address the deteriorated state of the current buildings Suggest "and to address their deteriorated state".
  • The Senate of Canada Building was renovated in 2019 to prepare for the Senate moving, and the West Block was completed in November 2018 before the House of Commons moved in. Would it be better to switch the order of these so that they are chronological?
  • Caption View of Parliament Hill and the surrounding area from the air Suggest: Aerial view of Parliament Hill and surroundings
  • The 88,480-square-metre (952,391 sq ft) area Since we're talking about the grounds here, rather than, say, floorspace of the buildings, would it be better to state this in hectares/acres?
  • Some overlinking of Louis-Philippe Hébert in the table. After first mention, could probably refer to him by surname only.
  • Similarly, the statue of George-Étienne Cartier → the statue of Cartier
  • Are some of the section headers maybe a little sentimental? Suggest: Development into a national heart → Construction and early use; Fire, rebuilding, and beyond → Fire, incidents and renovations; Early → Previous use of site
Referencing & verifiability
  • I'm going to first mention the memorial tables at the end. I know that some editors are a bit loose with referencing lists. I believe what's permissible unreferenced is to have a simple list where every list entry has its own article, and the list simply says that these things exist. But if the list makes statements about the entries, those statements need to be referenced just like anything else. Only the very last entry, War of 1812 Monument, is adequately referenced.
    I came across this: Statues/Grounds/Parliament Hill/Public Works. I haven't examined it but it looks promising. – Reidgreg (talk) 22:01, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The source looks fantastic and is from Public Works and Government Services Canada. I've incorporated it in the tables at the end. Many thanks for your help. I'm not sure whether the section is adequately cited or not now, but it is a lot better now. --Aknell4 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Running into some verification problems. I'm sure everything is true, but GA criteria require citations for verifiability and I'm not finding everything in the cited sources. (Note: I have inserted the reference names you added.)

Tables (referencing and prose comments)
  • ref name statuegeneralsource PWGSC Explore the statues, monuments and memorials and statuespwgsc archivefrom 2013 with map for locations. A few notes follow:
    • Most of the statues on Parliament Hill are arranged behind the three parliamentary buildings, with one outside of the main fence. Can we expand on this a bit? Suggest: More than 20 bronze statues are on the grounds, commemorating important figures in the country's history. Most are arranged in the gardens behind the three parliamentary buildings, with one outside of the main fence. Cite to statuegeneralsource. Perhaps add a footnote that some were moved off the grounds during renovations if you feel that's a concern.
    • Statue of Queen Victoria Located at the north-west corner between the West and Centre Blocks, the statue of the country's first monarch was sculpted by Hébert in 1900,[statuegeneralsource] and dedicated by Prince George, Duke of Cornwall and York, in 1901.[queenvictoriastatue] Should its first display in Paris be mentioned? Consider: Located at the north-west corner between the West and Centre Blocks, the statue of the country's first monarch was sculpted by Hébert and first displayed at the 1900 Paris Exposition before being moved to Ottawa[statuegeneralsource] and dedicated by Prince George, Duke of Cornwall and York in 1901.[queenvictoriastatue]
    • I tried combining the descriptions for the statues of George Brown and D'Arcy McGee; feel free to revert.
    • Borden Frances Loring cast this likeness for the 1957 session of parliament opened by Queen Elizabeth II; it stands at the southwest corner of Parliament Hill.[statuespwgsc] Source does not mention that the queen opened parliament. I sourced it to senroyals https://sencanada.ca/en/sencaplus/how-why/young-royals-have-long-ties-to-canada/ (it mentions some other royal visits). Can link to 23rd Canadian Parliament if you wish.
    • In 1989, Danek Mozdzenski was commissioned to form this monument that rests immediately north of the West Block.[statuegeneralsource] The sources say that it was completed in 1989, not commissioned that year.
    • The Famous Five. I think we should include the title of the monument: This monument, entitled Women are Persons!, ...
    • Question: Is the reconstructed summer gazebo also the pavilion of the Police Memorial? The pictures look very similar.
      • Bosc says that the Gazebo was turned into a memorial for police officers killed in the line of duty, but I wasn't able to track down a source that says that the gazebo is the Police Memorial. --Aknell4 (talk • contribs) 17:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Breadth & focus

Good. This article is an overarching topic for which many sub-topics are notable and have their own articles. This should be kept in mind for the overall level of detail, providing enough detail to give context to understand the overall topic while more detail can be given in the articles on the subtopics. Some of the other articles include: Parliament of Canada, Parliamentary Protective Service, Centre Block, East Block, West Block, Victoria Tower, Peace Tower, 2014 shootings at Parliament Hill, Ottawa, House of Commons of Canada, Senate of Canada, Senate of Canada Building, Queen's Gates, National Capital Region (Canada), Library of Parliament, Centennial Flame, Canadian Police Memorium, Victoria Tower Bell, and War of 1812 Monument; and less directly Sir John A. Macdonald Building, Wellington Building, Colonel By Valley, Wellington Street, Ottawa, Supreme Court of Canada, Langevin Block, Confederation Building (Ottawa), Justice Building, and Canada Day. Some of the sources used for this article might be useful for expanding some of these other articles.

Neutrality

Good (noted sentimentality of some section headers above)

Stability

No edit warring; expect there to be some updating with the ongoing renovations.

Media

Well supported by media: 9 images in main article plus another 35 images in tables. Once licensing issue:

Suggested expansions

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  • For the Parliament Hill shooting paragraph, suggest:
  • Found some sources for the national police memorial. Unfortunately, I don't think any of these mention the "carpenter gothic" style, but they're good for some other points.
    • barnespavilion Dedication to Duty at Google Books p. 213. It says that the Speaker's Summer Pavilion (1877–1956) was specifically reconstructed for the memorial, as a place for quiet reflection.
    • rcmppavilion http://www.rcmpveteransvancouver.com/canadian-police-peace-officers-memorial/ quotes the official history of the pavilion from a bronze plaque: This summer pavilion originally built in 1877 by Public Works Canada under the direction of the Chief Architect, Thomas Seaton Scott, and stood on this side until it was demolished in 1956. It was rebuilt in 1992 by Public Works and Government Services Canada with funding from the Canadian Police Association and The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police. [paragraph break] Dedicated as a National Police Memorial on March 22, 1994, the pavilion is a gift to the people of Canada from the Canadian Police Officers in memory of their fallen comrades. There appears to be a side/site typo, so make sure the dates are correct from other sources.
    • ridepavilion http://policeridetoremember.com/the-memorial-book-the-pavilion-and-the-memorial-stone talks about the history of the memorial, which had names first inscribed on a granite slab, then two other pieces of granite, and then added glass panels around the perimeter wall. (This helps explain some of the pictures – recent news about names being added usually show the glass panels.)

References

  1. ^ CTVNews.ca staff (13 October 2015). "Mounties who helped end Parliament Hill attack still not recognized". CTV News. Archived from the original on 14 October 2015. Retrieved 15 October 2015.
  2. ^ a b Tumilty, Ryan (1 February 2020). "RCMP feared larger plot in 2014 ottawa rampage; Briefing notes reveal high tensions". National Post. Toronto, Ontario: Postmedia Network. p. A3. ProQuest 2349706379.

Other areas to improve

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Although not part of the GA criteria, here are some other areas you might consider for improvement (I'd leave these until after the review):

Reviewers get much more fussy about reference formatting at the FA level.

  • I'd suggest naming all the references, with some sort of consistent and unambiguous style. It's not needed, but it makes discussing them a lot easier, especially if the article is undergoing editing which can cause the displayed reference numbers in the article to change.
  • The source History of the Hill looks like the current/updated government-website version of some of the other smaller archived pages. If the information is all there, it might be worthwhile to consolidate the references and use this one in place of those others, to shorten the reflist and make checking easier.
  • Some other references could be consolidated, like House of Commons 1999 and the Parliament of Canada Act.
  • I noticed that the documentation for Template:CRHP (Canadian Register of Historic Places) states that it is intended for use in the External links section rather than for references. I would suggest at some point that you put these in a regular {{cite web}} template for the references with CRHP in the External links. Even though they link to the same place, using the citation template for the reference will allow for archiving and some other bot-related tasks. I think this is fine for GA, the link provides verifiability, but for FA they'd want a proper citation template.

General discussion

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This is a lot, but I think it's doable. Please let me know if you have any questions, or when you're finished making changes. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:53, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Reidgreg: I think I made all the changes you suggested. Please let me know if I missed anything or if there is anything else to change. Thanks, Aknell4 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've done some preliminary checking and added the new reference names above, will get to work on re-checking verifiability today. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, checked your changes and reviewed the statuary tables. I've tried to mark anything that needs attention with a Question? mark. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:00, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think I got everything. As for the gazebo, I just said that the gazebo was turned into a memorial for police officers killed in the line of duty without saying it is the police memorial as I couldn't find a source saying that it was definitely the police memorial. --Aknell4 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I did a little additional copyedit, looks good. I also found three potential sources for the police memorial, under suggested expansions above. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the 3 refs you mentioned into the article. Many thanks. --Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 22:28, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Checked[reply]
Great, all good! Thanks for your patience throughout the review process! Passed GA! – Reidgreg (talk) 11:42, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

P.S.: Without meaning to get ahead of the review, there has been some interest in putting together a Canada Day DYK set for July 1. Discussion is at Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board § DYK for Canada Day.

@Reidgreg: I'd be happy to put this on DYK. Given that I can only apply for DYK after this passes GA, I'll wait for it to pass, unless you're waiting to pass this until Canada Day. --Aknell4 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 08:58, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Aerial view of Parliament Hill
Aerial view of Parliament Hill
  • ... that the site of Parliament Hill (pictured) was previously called Barrack Hill and had been intended for development as a major military base? Source: Ottawa Citizen "a strategic hill overlooking the Ottawa River was selected to be the site of the Parliament buildings", "For Bytown [now Ottawa] he called for a fortress stretching almost a kilometre from the Ottawa River ... covering what was then known as Barrack Hill and the site of a small military outpost." and "Parliament Hill, with its gently sloping banks to the south, was called a “glacis” positioned in front of the main trench".
    • ALT1:... that Parliament Hill (pictured) was originally designed for the Province of Canada and became inadequate for the bureaucracy of the Dominion of Canada, which was founded during its construction? Source: Public Works and Government Services Canada (archived) "[in 1866] the parliament of the United Province of Canada sat in the new building", "On the 1st of July 1867, the Dominion of Canada was born with a federal government in Ottawa ... The parliament buildings weren't even finished before they were suddenly made the seat of government for a much larger area", "[by 1871] The buildings ... were too small!" and "In 1876, the Library was finally completed, as well as the landscaped grounds."
    • ALT2:... that Parliament Hill (pictured) is undergoing an extensive renovation and rehabilitation project while continuing to serve as the seat of Canada's government? Source: Ottawa Citizen "Public Works and Government Services Canada is on time and on budget for its massive $3-billion, 20-year-project to rebuild the Parliament buildings" and "The West Block was shut down in 2011 ... When it re-opens in 2017, the House of Commons will meet there and the Senate will meet in the to-be-renovated Government Conference Centre across from the Chateau Laurier while Centre Block gets its multi-year refit."
    • ALT3:... that Canada's Parliament Hill (pictured) was the largest construction project undertaken in North America to that time? Sources: Radio Canada International "it was the largest construction project in all of North America". Public Works and Government Services Canada (archived) "Nothing this big had ever been done in North America and it was large even by European standards."
      • ALT3a:... that Canada's Parliament Hill (pictured) was the largest project undertaken in North America at the time of its construction?
  • Reviewed: Waived for first nom for Aknell4 QPQ check
  • Comment: Requesting for 1 July, Canada Day, or close to it... looking like "Canada week"

Improved to Good Article status by Aknell4 (talk) and Reidgreg (talk). Nominated by Aknell4 (talk) at 14:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: The article has been newly given a good article status (my congratulations), and is pretty long and very easily legible. Sourcing is great, the tone is neutral. However, the source check revealed copy-pasting - something should be done with it. Once this is changed, I have no objections to promote the nomination. As for the preferred hook, the original proposal is what suits me best; ALT3 could also be very fine (even better for me, personally) if you precise that the fact held true at the time the Parliament Hill complex was built. Per request of nominator, QPQ is waived. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:48, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review! As listed on the article's talk page, the Wordpress source copied the article, not the other way around. It's in a {{backwardscopy}} template on the talk page as per WP:BACKWARDSCOPY. --Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 02:56, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, indeed, I haven't noticed the warning about the article on the talk page (I was only looking at the main article space). In that case, for me, the hook has successfully cleared all steps, and, as I said, the main option is the one I prefer most. You might want to wait for other comments. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:20, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0 is my preferred as well. Given that 1 July already has enough Canada-related hooks scheduled for then, I would request the closest date after then that's possible. --Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 13:08, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Improving the map

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Hey all, the map in the Grounds and name section is, frankly, not ideal. It's very difficult to distinguish buildings and landmarks, it doesn't scale well on mobile, and it uses a custom template that's used in only one other article. Would anyone be up for creating a better map, whether that's with an image, {{Maplink}}, Wikidata:Map data, or otherwise? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 07:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the map isn't ideal. Given that I brought this article to GA with the help of Reidgreg, I will try to make it use Wikidata:Map data. --Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 13:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've added Map data, however on its own the geoshapes aren't showing up. It's only when you enlarge the map. Any ideas on how to fix this? --Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 17:00, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fixing a typo somehow fixed the issue. --Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 17:03, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Palestinian protests section, planned protest this December 2023

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I added a sentence at the end of the section about a planned protest for Palestine to have a ceasefire, but I couldn't find an online source. The source I have is physical fliers with information about the protest 2001:1970:55E8:7F00:0:0:0:9EF8 (talk) 16:19, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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