Talk:Carthusians

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Howdy y'all. I've loved the 'pedia for several years now, but only started making edits a couple of days ago. So far, mostly haven't made any significant changes. Stumbled upon this article and was curious that there was neither mention of nor link to the liquor/liqueur, Chartreuse, which I recollected was created/produced by this sect of monks. Upon viewing the Chartreuse entry it seems that these are the particular monks that invented/produce the liquor. Is there are reason that all mention of this interesting fact is missing from this entry? Thought I'd ask before going of half-cocked and editing in some malarkey that is only going to get removed and/or annoy some folks.

Also, is this use of the talk forum the appropriate way to go about considering making substantive edits to an article?

Cheers,

-Iggy

old talk

Can't this article begin by saying the Carthusians are an order of monks (if I am correct in surmising that), rather than by assuming that the reader already knows that? Michael Hardy 01:53 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, it should: do please go ahead and edit. I've been looking at it for months and never noticed that deficiency! :) Nevilley 08:09 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)

I've done it - is that better? Nevilley

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"Today Carthusians live very much as they originally did having never undergone any kind of reform." - I don't quite get this - in England they were ruthlessly supressed under Henry VIII and I don't know how/when they managed a comeback (did they?) in the UK - is this not relevant?? Confusedly, Nevilley

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A. "They follow their own Rule, called the Statutes, rather than the Rule of St Benedict (as is often erroneously reported) and combine eremitical and cenobetic life. "

this was changed by Paul to this:

B. "They follow their own Rule, called the Statutes (not, as is often erroneously reported, the Rule of St Benedict),"

For the time being - pending discussion - I have changed it back. The reason I am confused is that I think Paul's edit changes the sense - in A I think that what is being erroneously reported is what they follow, and in B I think that what is being erroneously reported is what it's called. If we can find out which is the case (or if, Paul, you already know) then maybe we should reword it so as to remove the confusion. Thanks, Nevilley 09:23 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing that. I didn't mean to change the sense, I was just trying to make the sentence run better. I actually know nothing whatever about the Carthusians, but FWIW I think it more likely that sense A is the correct one. I therefore elect to leave well enough alone at this point.

-- Paul A 16:31 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)

OK and thanks. I will see if I can figure out what was really meant, and reword it so that is clear. Nevilley 00:09 Mar 25, 2003 (UTC)

Motto

The motto is Stat crux dum volvitur orbis and not Cartusia numquam reformata, quia numquam deformata. The last one is a word by Pope Innocent XI.--Momo-DE 17:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

It would be worth knowing when the motto was adopted: it does seem to imply a heliocentric view of the solar system. Ian Spackman (talk) 06:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Just added a link

to the page I have created for the Analecta Cartusiana.

A controverse still exists regarding what Saint Bruno had actually founded : an order or just two monasteries, as he also founded the Charterhouse of Calabria.

RECOMMENDED READING erase

I don't understand why my recommendation was erase, the book of Halfway to Heaven (Cistercian Studies Series) by Robin Bruce Lockhart, this is not the defintive book on the Carthusian but is one of the most famous, is a recomemended reading for Carthusian novice.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eduardo Tellez (talk • contribs) .

It looked like a self-link/spam when I first saw it. Thank you for the explanation. -- Stbalbach 14:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

External links

I removed the following external links - per guidelines for external links: the links should be directly about the topic of the article. These links are not about Carthusian order in general but about specific chapterhouses and under my reading of the guidelines should be included in those articles, but not here. But if community consensus shows a different interpretation, they are here for return. And the tripod appears to be a personal website which is also not allowed. -- The Red Pen of Doom 00:32, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

External links

• St. Hugh's Charterhouse, Parkminster, England - The largest charterhouse in Europe
• Serra San Bruno Charterhouse in Calabria, Italy
• Analecta Cartusiana - Oldest continuing series published on the Carthusian Order, founded in 1970
• Carthusians- History, including Charterhouses, Saints, Martyrs, Statutes, and much more.

Silence

Suggestion; the fact that the monks live in silence is not stated until the end of the article, and a reference to being allowed to speak is made seemingly without context about midway. Since a life of silence is one of the remarkable aspects of Carthusians shouldn't that be included in the first couple of paragraphs? -David ----24.18.203.13 (talk) 04:39, 30 January 2012 (UTC))

Need a history section surely

At present the article jumps straight from a brief mention of the order's starting point to 'Carthusian character'! This is in marked contrast to what the articles on other orders offer. Ender's Shadow Snr (talk) 11:26, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

No abbeys?

Please clarify the statement "There are no Carthusian abbeys." The Wikipedia article on Abbey states "La Grande Chartreuse is a Carthusian abbey north of Grenoble, France." If the charterhouses are not abbeys, what are they? Oswald Glinkmeyer (talk) 10:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

They are monasteries, or more properly a collection on hermitages arranged in a pattern similar to the cinobium of orders such as the Benedictines and Cistercians (they have a cloister, church, etc). They are not abbeys because they have no abbots (an abbey is under the leadership of an abbot, an archabbey is under the leadership of an archabbot, etc.). If the article on La Grande Chartreuse states that it is an abbey, it is in error and should be changed. I will edit this article to reflect this status, and the one on the Grand Chartreuse as well. 108.49.202.212 (talk) 21:44, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

The article on Abbey still uses La Grand Chartreuse as an example in the photographs on the left. I'll remove it. Oswald Glinkmeyer (talk) 15:24, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Move?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 23:44, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Carthusian → Carthusians – I believe it meets WP:PLURAL. One rarely speaks of "a Carthusian". Srnec (talk) 02:51, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

• Comment Srnec, but we get thousands of "a Carthusian" as a noun hits in Google books? In ictu oculi (talk) 06:10, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support, consistent with Cistercians, Carmelites, Trappists, etc. Carthusian Order should also be considered. Bede735 (talk) 12:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support... probably meets WP:PLURAL. Red Slash 05:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

musical instruments

the footnote makes no mention of Oriental Orthodox. In fact I think it is all Orthodox - Eastern and Oriental - who do not use instruments. But that particular fact is original research. --142.163.194.149 (talk) 16:14, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

21 (not 23)

on their official website it reads: "Today the Carthusian Order has twenty-one houses, sixteen of monks and five of nuns." Stjohn1970 (talk) 21:25, 7 October 2023 (UTC)