Category talk:Cities by country

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Sort order

Why is Slovenia under C? --gracefool 05:04, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Because the sort key for the category was not set correctly --gracefool 05:22, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

fixed, but highlighted another problem... --gracefool 05:28, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

To be fixed

Links to other languages

I deactivated the links to other languages at Category:Cities by country because:
- eo:Kategorio:Urbo linked before allready to Category:Cities
- fr:Catégorie:Villes du monde linked before allready to Category:Cities
- zh:Category:各國城市 could link to other categories too; ~~I will ask for help at zh:.~~

to: User:LiDaobing

For an article, list, category, help page etc. frome one Wikipedia only one link to another page (if possible of the same page type) in another Wikipedia is recommendet / allowed. Else bots can not add new interlanguage links to the existing set of pages (articles, etc).
What about zh:Category:各國城市? Could you please verify what category should link to it and place the link only there? If zh:Category:各國城市 has / will have subcategories you may link them properly to categories at en: etc. wich relate to those subcategories / reflect most likly what happens at zh:. Thanks and regards Gangleri | Th | T 09:57, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

Note: I left a message also at zh:User talk:Vinama3171 10:41, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

Hi, I'm a zh.Wikipedian and the creator of zh:category:各國城市. I don't know what you mean by "zh:Category:各國城市 could link to other categories too", because "各國城市" can mean nothing more than "cities by country." Can you tell me what other en.Wikipedia pages have linked to this zh: category page, so that I can help clarify the problem? Thanks and regards. --Cough 10:45, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi Cough!

One problem is that the name of the category means on thing but sometimes that category is used for somthing else two.

Another problem is that Wikipedias with many article names (en:, de:, etc.) differentiate more in categorisation. You have here the Category:Cities by country (what is the more like the initial content of starting Wikipedias).

But: It can not bee / it is not recommended that at xx.wikipedia you link xx:Catogory:Cities links both to en:Catogory:Cities and to en:Catogory:Cities by countries. The later will block the bots inserting future links. This is happen quite often both related to categories, lists and articles.

A third problem is that de: does not eaven have an equivalent to en:Category:Cities but somthing like Category:Places and so on. Other "middle-european" Wikipedias follow the example. Other Wikipedias have both Cities and Places.

The easiest solution for all the new comming Wikipedias would be to "start linking" the categories named as the translated word in their language for "City" / "Cities" depending on article / category naming convention in that language. Wikipedias without the Category:Cities i.e. having only Category:Places could / may link this too . Else they are going appart. What is your opinion about this?

Regards Gangleri | Th | T 14:06, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

I think all of the problems you mentioned above make no differences to zh.wikipedia. "城市" means "city/cities" in English， and zh.wikipedia already has a category named "zh:Category:城市", which can be linked to "en:Category:cities". "各國" means "in every country" in English, therefore "各國城市" means "Cities by country", as I have told you.

There is no equivalent category in zh.wikipedia with category:places or category:places by country, so you don't have to bother its confusion with cities at zh:. I hope my response could solve your problems. Regards.--Cough Talk 15:44, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I confirm that zh:Category:各國城市 should link to en:Category:Cities by country, and en:Category:Cities should link to zh:Category:城市, so I apply to revert the zh crosslink, over.--LiDaobing 15:48, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

fr:Discussion Catégorie:Villes du monde

I changed the links from fr:Catégorie:Villes du monde to en: from Category:Cities by country to Category:Cities. Gangleri | Th | T 10:38, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

de:Kategorie Diskussion:Ort#Abkoppeln von anderen Wikipedias

The titel of the section there is somthing like: "Going appart from other Wikipedias". Gangleri | Th | T 13:11, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

actual status of interlanguage links

Last change: --Djordjes 15:41, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Notes: agreement at es: must be found about the proper eqvivalent

Cities by country:
[[en:Category:Cities by country]]
[[he:קטגוריה:ערים של מדינות]]
[[ru:Category:Города]]
[[zh:Category:各國城市]]

with encoded Unicode characters:
[[en:Category:Cities by country]]
[[he:קטגוריה:ערים של מדינות]] [[ru:Category:Города]]
[[zh:Category:各國城市]]

Cities:
[[be:Category:Гарады]]
[[bg:Категория:Градове]]
[[cs:Kategorie:Města]]
[[da:Kategori:Byer]]
[[de:Kategorie:Ort]]
[[en:Category:Cities]]
[[eo:Kategorio:Urbo]]
[[fr:Catégorie:Villes du monde]]
[[he:קטגוריה:ערים]]
[[it:Categoria:Città]]
[[ja:Category:都市]]
[[ko:Category:도시]]
[[nl:Categorie:Stad]]
[[no:Kategori:Byer]]
[[pl:Kategoria:Miasta]]
[[pt:Categoria:Cidades]]
[[ro:Categorie:Oraşe]]
[[ru:Category:Город]]
[[simple:Category:Cities]]
[[sk:Category:Mestá]]
[[sr:Category:Градови]]
[[sv:Kategori:Städer]]
[[tt:Törkem:Şähär]]
[[zh:Category:城市]]

with encoded Unicode characters:
[[be:Category:Гарады]]
[[bg:Категория:Градове]]
[[cs:Kategorie:Města]]
[[da:Kategori:Byer]]
[[de:Kategorie:Ort]]
[[en:Category:Cities]]
[[eo:Kategorio:Urbo]]
[[fr:Catégorie:Villes du monde]]
[[he:קטגוריה:ערים]] [[it:Categoria:Città]]
[[ja:Category:都市]]
[[ko:Category:도시]]
[[nl:Categorie:Stad]]
[[no:Kategori:Byer]]
[[pl:Kategoria:Miasta]]
[[pt:Categoria:Cidades]]
[[ro:Categorie:Oraşe]]
[[ru:Category:Горо&#1076]]
[[simple:Category:Cities]]
[[sk:Category:Mestá]]
[[sr:Category:Градови]]
[[sv:Kategori:Städer]]
[[tt:Törkem:Şähär]]
[[zh:Category:城市]]

Other issues

linking the subcategories as "Cities in XXXX"
linking to special subcategories containing "lists related to cities" (for example ru:Category:Списки городов)
linking subcategories containing "all cities"
"migration": It is a question of time for growing Wikipedias. Please adjust whatever links are required to existing links to other languages in order to avoid "ambiguousities".
"abstracts (in 2 - 3 languages at the talk page):" Such abstracts would make live easier. Visitors would know whatfor the category is used for. Together with their own knowledge about the categories they are working on they can link "on the fly". Gangleri | Th | T 14:25, 2005 Feb 5 (UTC)

Move categories

parallel form Category:Towns

Please write here about the status (alternatively put some links here) and let me know. Thanks!

Naming convention

Some "Subcategories" use a different "naming convention" then "Cities in XXXX":
In a similar case I asked for help. A friend with a bot made / makes the job.
You may ask for help at Wikipedia:Bot requests. Regards Gangleri | Th | T 09:38, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

I think that it's wrong to name a category Belgian towns, Finnish towns or whatever towns, because here we mean towns in Belgium/Finland/etc, and not towns inhabited by Belgians/Finns. With regards to the cities/towns, I think that there has to be some sort of unification, and thus we shall move every article into [[:Category:Towns in ...]], because actually cities are just big towns, right? In some languages there's no differentiation between a city (big settlement) and town (ordinary settlement) (we're not discussing villages here, which are minute settlements). --webkid 09:54, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Webkid! I just listed them here because they are the only exceptions I could find. But first more people involved should agree about this here or at an appropriate place. (Where?) Another question is who, which bot will do the job and when. Regards Gangleri | Th | T 10:11, 2005 Feb 1 (UTC)

Can we cut down on avoidable confusion?

Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § Can we cut down on avoidable confusion?

OMG, here in Wikipedia there is a Category:Cities by country, a Category:Towns by country and a Category:Municipalities by country. Can't we just get them all put together under Category:Cities and towns by Country? For universities and colleges we already have Category:Universities and colleges by country. It's simple. Cities and towns don't mean the same across the globe, and those complex differences may be good for a lawyer or a diplomat, but NOT FOR AN ENCYCLOPEDIA. Say what? Aditya Kabir 09:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]