Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Spanish and Portuguese names
Good read, I think it fits all the criteria, but the References part, which is probably covered by the External Links section. Fito (21:53, May 16, 2005)
- No vote. I'm one of the contributors to this. I think it's a nice article, but not necessarily up to featured article standards. Nothing specifically wrong with it, just a bit run-of-the-mill. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:36, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
- Object. Inadequate lead section, no references, and inaccurate title (the article also covers Catalan names). Mark1 07:12, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
- Object 1) the article gives the idea, when you start to read, that it is name+father surname+mother surname - when I start reading that, I thought "How odd!". It is explained that in Portugal it is the reverse in Portugal's section, but the person is already missleaded in the lead section.
- 2) I dont know why Spain should be placed first. If we are talking in Iberian names the article should be named Iberian names and countries/regions ordered by the name in English, a Portuguese reading it will probably look at that. Besides Catalunya is in Spain. Iberian would be a better name. Even the Peninsula today is only named Iberia. In the past it was Hispania, but Spain took the name for itself... (but this is not important)
- 3) it lacks more information, I guess. In Portugal you can only have 4 names -except the husband's name - I dont see this desapearing as the article states! Maybe in the south, not here. It depends on the wish of the woman. And that info seems from someone that added a biased (he wished it) info, completly unproveen.
- for example "Joana Maria Silva Castelo Branco" has only 4 names, because "Castelo branco" is just one name. her first name has the maximum of 2 names. So she can't have the name Joana Maria Rafaela ....
- 5) the names in Portugal are regulated by law, you cant give the name you want, normally old arabic (Fátima, Alzira), biblical (José, Maria, Jesus is not common like in Spain), saints, Roman (Rui). (you need to investigate better on this). Noone can be named Areia (sand), Raio de Luz (ray of light) and other odd names, including names in English. In Brazil they can have any name, it just nedd to be portugalized. In fact, it is popular to spread Brazilian name lists on the email, cause there are some that are really odd and funny.
- For example, in Portugal there is a list with Russian names, they investigated in that countries what names the immigrats' children (born in Portugal) should have.
- How it is in Spain? i've been informed that they take the name of the saint of the day they were born. It also occurs with mine, but I'm an exception. I happened to be borned in Saint Peter's day (a holiday), so I'm Pedro (and my programmed name Miguel was throw to second place), because Saint Peter is celebrated in here, and while my mother was celebrating... well I ruined her party in the middle of the night.
- 6) Portuguese surnames are usually taken from a place (Braga, Guimarães, Miranda, Sousa, lisboa,..) or someone notable to the family (in the middle ages, and colonial age in the colonies: Sousa, Costa, oliveira, etc.), or even fruit trees (oliveira, silva, pereira), or profession (ferreira) - names of fruit trees were used by Jewish people origin families during the inquisition. So a family named "Pereira" can really have jewish heritage. But I dont know all this for sure, it surely needs a lot of investigation. -Pedro 11:04, 17 May 2005 (UTC)