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Wrong or fabricated references. Recommend to remove sentence

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Section 'History and Tradition'

"However, the silver frame was placed on the Black Stone to secure the fragments, after the original stone was broken.[31][32]"

I have checked both references 31 and 32

31 Burke, John G. (1991). Cosmic Debris: Meteorites in History. University of California Press. p. 222. ISBN 978-0-520-07396-8.
32 Hassan, Ashraf (1991). Cenap Çakmak (ed.). Islam: A Worldwide Encyclopedia [4 volumes]. ABC-CLIO. p. 262. ISBN 978-1-61-069217-5.

the statement made is firstly not discussed in the 2 books referenced (Hassan Ashraf's book is available on google books check page 262). Furthermore such a statement does not represent a majority view of scholars even if it was mentioned in some source (wrong representation).

In the interest of an honest representation of the matter at hand I recommend deletion of this unfounded/unreferenced statement. Alernatively a new section should be written to discuss the scholarly views on the framing of the black stone plus maybe architectural aspects of the Kaaba and its embedded artefacts.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.143.75 (talk • contribs) 11:04, May 29, 2020 (UTC)

Not done:Regardless of the references, which you listed, the New Encyclopedia of Islam (pg. 246) says that "The Black Stone was repaired and held together by a silver band around the three pieces." I have added this as a reference to the claim. --FPTI (talk) 00:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was Prophet Abraham who placed it.

According to Islam, it is placed there By Prophet Abraham AS, Jibreel (Gabriel) brought it from heaven directly to Abraham who built the Kaaba. 69.94.41.101 (talk) 12:46, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This tradition is already stated in the article as written. According to the New Encyclopedia of Islam, "Tradition says that Adam placed it in the original Ka'bah. Later it was hidden in the mountain of Abu Qubays. When Abraham rebuilt the Ka'bah, the Angel Gabriel brought the stone out and gave it to him." (pg. 91) -- FPTI (talk) 01:12, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there no primary source/reference? 'tradition' is very vague (i hate that term). I demand a source from a book of the sunnah Formerlychucks (talk) 15:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Formerlychucks It is great to hear that you demand a source from the book of the Sunnah. If you find one, please put it in immediately! FPTI (talk) 21:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adam and Eve: Please remove this passage and its citation

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The citation for the following "Islamic tradition holds that the Black Stone fell from Jannah to show Adam and Eve where to build an altar, which became the first temple on Earth" (Muhammad, Martin Lings, Chapter 1. The House of God) does not contain any reference to this story.

https://archive.org/details/muhammad_martin_lings_201911/page/n3/mode/2up?q=stone

130.44.167.72 (talk) 02:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done I have removed this citation and removed the sentences that may have been a hoax. If anyone can find anything about the Black Stone being the marker site for Adam to build an altar, I would appreciate it. The New Encyclopedia of Islam only says that Adam placed it in the original Kaaba. FPTI (talk) 00:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History (Remove the illustration)

The illustration used in the history is not at all acceptable. And it's hurting Muslim sentiments. Kindly remove the illustration. 103.82.252.232 (talk) 09:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the notice on the top of the talk page says, Attention: If you are here to talk about removing images of Muhammad from Wikipedia articles, please read this article carefully: Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Images of Muhammad. Wikipedia is not censored. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History (Remove illustration) It’s hurting Muslim sentiments

It’s hurting Muslim sentiments. Remove the illustration. 103.82.252.232 (talk) 09:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the notice on the top of the talk page says, Attention: If you are here to talk about removing images of Muhammad from Wikipedia articles, please read this article carefully: Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Images of Muhammad. Wikipedia is not censored. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change " The stone is also thought to be associated with Allat.[35] Muhammad is said to have called the stone "the right hand of al-Rahman"" to "Muhammad is said to have called the stone "the right hand of al-Rahman""

removing the line associated with the source 35. The source reads: "such as Allat's block of granite in her hima at Taif and the black stone in..." This means that a distinction is made between Allat and the black stone. The Wikipedia article assumes that they are the same. Reference 35 has to be removed because it is false. Scholarforpeace (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]