Talk:Ústí nad Labem

Name

Close deal

Try close deal about Aussig, please.—10:43, 11 November 2004‎ Mikeshk

What? — LlywelynII 00:29, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

River name

It seems that since this is discussing a Czech city, that the Czech name of the river should be used, particularly since the name of the city itself refers to the river (Ústí nad Labem being roughly translated to "Ústí on the Labe"). I would think that changing the reference to be the Labe rather than the Elbe, with a reference to the river being known more generally as The Elbe, would be a reasonable solution.--Igjeff 18:57, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Nope. WP:USEENGLISH. — LlywelynII 00:29, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Name section

An overzealous/Czech editor attempted to remove mention of "Aussig" from the lead. This was the formerly major English name of the location and belongs in the lead, per the guidelines being quoted by the editor. The "shunt 4 alt names into a separate section" (a) only obtains in the case of a mass of names, not a single alternative name, and (b) is intended for situations like Jerusalem where you have dozens of kinda relevant foreign names but need to create some order. Note, however, that regardless of the name section, the Hebrew and Arabic names remain in the lead at Jerusalem. They are that important. Similarly with the long period during which the German name was used for this location in English. See also Gdansk. It was also completely incorrect to remove the bolding of the major alternative name.

Czech pride is all well and good, but we are here to serve our readers and not to whitewash unpleasant aspects of history. — LlywelynII 23:59, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: You suggest editors see Gdansk except that Gdansk doesn't bold Danzig but you think Aussig should be bolded here? München isn't even bolded in the Munich article. Please WP:Assume Good Faith and don't accuse others of nationalist bias, let alone white washing, especially when no information was deleted.- Themightyquill (talk) 08:24, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Munchen isn't and never has been an English name, so that's aside the point. (The proper policy is not to but it seems hit or miss: Vienna doesn't bold its German name but Cologne does.) Danzig was the English name but that article currently treats it as a German name exclusively; that's probably wrong but that's a separate battle. It was simply being referenced here to point out that the previous editor was (AGF) overzealous in his removal. On the subject of overzealousness, though, if you were really curious about the general bolding policy, you're welcome to see Krakow, Mumbai, Beijing, et multa multa cetera for still better formatting than the article I linked above w/r/t to inclusion of the name at all. If you didn't already know that separately and are basing your edits on policy linked on talk pages, better to avoid editing for a bit while you bone up.

That said, you seem to be active at WP:CZECH. I suppose it would be a different matter if they had a standard treatment for all former English names of all Czech cities. It might still run into WP:LOCALCONSENSUS in some cases, but that would be a stronger reason to avoid Wiki's general policy if you agreed with 2a02:2430:3:2500::b807:3da0's edits and had some GF reason to minimize Usti's German past. — LlywelynII 14:46, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Excuse me, I seem to be active at WP:CZECH? How did you come up with that? Do you mean the WikiProject that I'm not a member of, or cs.wikipedia.org where I've made a total of four edits, all images, most recently in 2011? And are you suggesting a) that I'm trying to minimize Usti's German past, and b) that I'm doing so for non-good-faith reasons? I'm not Czech, let alone a Czech nationalist, and your insinuations otherwise are insulting.

Second, the article says "formerly known by its German name Aussig", which certainly suggests we're talking about a German name. The language used in the etymology section is very similar to that used in the Danzig article. I only referenced that article because you brought it up.

Third, personally, I think there's a substantial difference between Danzig, Krakow, Mumbai and Beijing in that their previous named were all used substantially in English within living memory. I've never heard of "Aussig" before and the article says it fell out of usage in English after the First World War. To me, that suggests very few people are going to be looking up the city by such a name, and if they are, I don't think they'd be terribly shocked not to find a name that hasn't been used for nearly a century in the lead section of the article. At least, not any more than they would be shocked that "Aussyenad", "Labem", or "Oustí nad Labem", or other extinct English-language names are not in the lead. - Themightyquill (talk) 18:45, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Consensus should incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Some important naming conventions which the article's lead violates (WP:LEAD#General guidelines and WP:LEAD#Separate section usage): Once a Names or Etymology section or paragraph is created, the alternative English or foreign names should not be moved back to the first line. As an exception, a local official name different from a widely accepted English name should be retained in the lead. (Foreign language: Local name; known also by several alternative names)".' If the case is exceptional, common sense may be applied to ignore all rules. Filter the reasonable concerns and decide if this is an exceptional case.2A02:2430:3:2500:0:0:B807:3DA0 (talk) 03:33, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Matiční Street Wall

This was'n a wall, but only antinoise screen! All this cause was only political speech. I'm living in Usti. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.218.164.51 (talk) 10:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

how to get there from Prague or Germany?

How do i get there from prague or Germany? Which part of Germany is nearest to usti nad labem? --116.14.68.30 (talk) 09:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Milena Velba

Famous pin-up model Milena Velba was born in Ústí nad Labem. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 94.228.237.230 (talk) 21:29, 21 August 2017.

After attempted to add entry was quicly reverted as not notable. Rusty5231B (talk) 22:22, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Explained in the edit summary. She has no page on English Wiki, so she is definitely not as famous as you say. By the way, according to Google, she is primarily a pornographic film actress. FromCzech (talk) 05:53, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

aka "Aussyenad" and "Labem"

I am going to boldly assert that the folks at Britannica made a mistake here, and would love to see more sources that attest to these names being used in English, preferably some actual usage of them. Before the 19th century Czech orthography reform that changed AU into OU, the name of the city was spelled "Austí nad Labem" (see e.g. Palacký), which that edition of Britannica seems to have mis-read and printed as "AUSSIG, Aussyenad, or Labem". This is surely an error. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:39, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Looking on Google Books, I can't find "Aussyenad" in anything bar Britannica and copycats of it, which seems to support my theory. Surely there would be some other examples of usage available from before that edition of Britannica was published, if this were anything other than a prehistoric typo. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:47, 15 July 2019 (UTC)