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Merge WikiProjects back into this project
[edit]There are a number of cricket-related WikiProjects that I believe would be best suited as taskforces of this project, which would enable collaboration whilst also understanding that articles on these tournaments need to follow guidelines of WP:CRIC. This was previously mentioned in 2021: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 90#Creation of task forces. Would be good to get a firm consensus on whether or not to implement this. These breakaway WikiProjects have caused numerous problems over the years including:
- Frequent MOS:COLOR violations on articles and templates
- Misunderstanding of how article ratings work, by rating categories as "high importance"
- Violation of the WP:CRIC standard to only add teams to a player's infobox once they make an appearance (Allah Mohammad Ghazanfar being an example who was in IPL and LPL squads but did not play)
- Creating clutter on article talkpages as if someone plays one match in one of these tournaments, they get added to the WikiProject
- IPL project created templates for every match (60 per season), which led to a massive template clean up project a few years ago
All of these WikiProjects are for franchise T20 tournaments that run for 1-3 months a year, and their WikiProjects are dormant for the rest of the year, or are permanently inactive. They are as follows:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League - looks permanently inactive
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Lanka Premier League - been inactive for around 2 years, despite only being created in 2021
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian Premier League - looks to be inactive
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan Super League - looks to be inactive
In addition, I have separately nominated the recently created Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's Premier League (cricket) for deletion, but would be okay with this becoming a task force here too (but no merge is required as there is no history to keep). This post aims to satisfy Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Merging WikiProjects#Establish consensus for a merger by getting a consensus for or against this. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- These seem sensible. I had hoped when I revamped the project page, that these would be started by new recruits from r/cricket and other cricket platforms, but I never really found the time. AA (talk) 22:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would be good to get a few more thoughts on this proposal, as only 3 unique editors have posted opinions. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I get the feeling there aren't many of us left... AA (talk) 17:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- @AssociateAffiliate not at all, there are editors; I feel like no one is aware about the existence of this talk page. I'll try tagging some editors from the above WikiProjects. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- @CptViraj, Fade258, Kirubar, ClogWolf, CRICKETMANIAC303, MNWiki845, Vestrian24Bio, Kpddg, Wowlastic10, and Spinin: from WP IPL.
- @Human, Wiki.0hlic, Hamza Ali Shah, Badsaad10, CreativeNorth, Tahaaleem, Fade258, Shah Fahad️, USaamo, and Wallu2: from WP PSL.
- @CAPTAINRAJU, ASimpleHuman, ANKAN, MahirM, ShahidulHasanRoman, Imtiazahmedrifat, Fade258, ACricketPremi, and Spinin: from WP BPL.
- @DTTruth, Randeepa, Fade258, Abishe, Tahaaleem, Kirubar, RishikaPrabashana, ClogWolf, Cricketsudda21, Janeesh22, Spinin, and KjjjKjjj: from WP LPL.
- Forgive me if I had mentioned anyone more than once. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- @AssociateAffiliate not at all, there are editors; I feel like no one is aware about the existence of this talk page. I'll try tagging some editors from the above WikiProjects. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- I get the feeling there aren't many of us left... AA (talk) 17:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed per nom. Task forces are a much better option in my opinion. Easier to manage and work within. As already said if people aren't interested than why have four-five different projects and leave them dormant. Wikibear47 (talk) 08:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agree per nom. I think task forces are much better than having a single WikiProject. For example, WikiProject Japan has many task forces under a single project which makes it easier to handle.
- Agree per nom. task forces are much better than having a single WikiProject. For example, WikiProject Japan has many task forces under a single project which makes it easier to handle.
- Agree per nom. Task forces would probably work out better than the inactive Wikiprojects currently, and it might become easier to manage the never ending increase in T20 leagues. Hamza Ali Shah Talk 23:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The WPs are all inactive and will likely remain such. Clog Wolf Howl 09:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
WPCRIC Announcements
[edit]In the template {{WPCRIC Announcements}}, the sub-sections say they are Bot generated; but, it doesn't looks like it's been updated in a while, what's with it? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't look like a bot has ever updated this template. It might be a left over from when this was created from a copy/paste of the 'Military History' project template as the first edit has them listed as bit-generated. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like we'll have to manually update it; Should I go ahead...? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- A bot does update Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Article alerts daily, so it may be worth adding that to your watchlist. Don't know how you can integrate that into header though. JP (Talk) 16:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Already have that on my watchlist; The thing is I have seen announcement templates of some other WikiProjects being used in more than just the project talk page, which is easier to give an one-look overview of the ongoing things. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've updated the Announcements template, along with some changes to Announcements Shell and Open tasks page. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 03:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Already have that on my watchlist; The thing is I have seen announcement templates of some other WikiProjects being used in more than just the project talk page, which is easier to give an one-look overview of the ongoing things. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Review request!
[edit]Would anyone be kind enough to review the following articles? Copy edit and additions welcome:
Aiming for FA
[edit]Aiming for GA
[edit]Any contributions appreciated :) AA (talk) 09:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I did spot the other day that there is a piece in an old ACS The Cricket Statistician here on Poore/Wynyard's record partnership if you did want to expand on that. Lonsdale did another piece on Poore here, not sure if there is anything useful in that either. --JP (Talk) 15:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding these JP, they are super helpful. There was some info on his early life I was missing, so the Lonsdale one will definitely help full those blanks. AA (talk) 14:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
The project newsletter
[edit]I have started working on the project newsletter, currently titled "The Stump Sapient". I am expecting it to be published in December 2024. Progress can be seen here. I would need an editor-in-charge to go with me; anyone willing to contribute? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 05:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if we could have a 'Photo of the Year' section and maybe a list of deaths? Of course, the competition parts are dependent on how many active members we have, and I really have no idea how many we do! I wouldn't mind trying to get more members from say the Cricket Reddit, but do worry that could attract some of the editors who seem to be populating the AfD list these days :/ AA (talk) 11:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, List of deaths can be put with the article news; and if we could hold a "Photo of the Year" contest and get a winner, we'll include that as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if there is a way to gauge how many active members we have? AA (talk) 14:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- We could use {{User:Yapperbot/Pruner/use}}, which would if configured in the members page remove the inactive users for a given time every Monday. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @AA Should we set it up?? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like a plan! The results will be interesting, because it does at times seem awfully quiet in here! AA (talk) 09:55, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I've configured it now; We'll see the results on next Monday. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:04, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Will be interesting to see. Hopefully, going back to above newsletter inclusion, we can have some FA and GA promotions as I have a couple nominated. AA (talk) 22:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @AssociateAffiliate The bot will run tonight at 18:00 UTC, in the meantime I have created this notice to be sent to the remaining members informing them about the newsletter. I am planning for it to be sent out on 1st October. If we are to hold a "Photo of the Year" or any other contest, it must be best to add it to the notice as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have also created the header and footer for the newsletter pages; if you could review them and leave your thoughts about it, I will proceed to the next stage. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- I like it :) Looks very sleek! With the contests, we do need some people to help 'umpire' them. AA (talk) 21:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- We could leave the picture of the year to public voting, and maybe ask out some experienced editors to assist with it. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:56, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- I like it :) Looks very sleek! With the contests, we do need some people to help 'umpire' them. AA (talk) 21:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- The bot did its thing, and they are currently ~100 supposedly active editors. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 18:16, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Any thoughts on how we could recruit more members? AA (talk) 21:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps we should send this notice to some mainspace talk pages as well. My suggestions would be the following,
- Talk:International cricket in 2024
- Talk:International cricket in 2024–25
- Talk:2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup
- Talk:2024 ICC Women's T20 World Cup
- Talk:2024–2026 Cricket World Cup League 2
- Talk:2024–2026 Cricket World Cup Challenge League
- Talk:2023–2025 ICC World Test Championship
- Talk:2022–2025 ICC Women's Championship
- @AssociateAffiliate: What do you think about it? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps we should send this notice to some mainspace talk pages as well. My suggestions would be the following,
- Any thoughts on how we could recruit more members? AA (talk) 21:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have also created the header and footer for the newsletter pages; if you could review them and leave your thoughts about it, I will proceed to the next stage. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I've configured it now; We'll see the results on next Monday. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:04, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like a plan! The results will be interesting, because it does at times seem awfully quiet in here! AA (talk) 09:55, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @AA Should we set it up?? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- We could use {{User:Yapperbot/Pruner/use}}, which would if configured in the members page remove the inactive users for a given time every Monday. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if there is a way to gauge how many active members we have? AA (talk) 14:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, List of deaths can be put with the article news; and if we could hold a "Photo of the Year" contest and get a winner, we'll include that as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
@AssociateAffiliate: What are your thoughts on sending the notice to above pages as well...
I have also completed the notice now; if you could just leave your thoughts about it; I will have the notice sent out in the next few days... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 05:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Happy with the notice and the sending the notice to those pages as well :) AA (talk) 22:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Hello all. Just wondering if anyone can find out anything more about the above Hampshire cricketer. He seems rather illusive. Apparently born in Christchurch (the English one) in 1905, played for Hampshire in 1925 and 1926. Surprised he's proving hard to fill in the gaps given his 'recentism'. Cheers in advance. AA (talk) 09:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Where does the 12 September 1905 birthdate come from? I can find an Arthur John Hayward born 1 January 1905 at Christchurch, who is probably the same chap who worked for the railways from 1919, and then for Bournemouth Corporation as a bus driver in 1939. One of this name died at Poole on 3 January 1982 and is likely to be the same. Johnlp (talk) 13:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking a look John. I did wonder the same thing myself, when I couldn't find any Arthur John Hayward's born on that date. Is this all census information or from BNA sources? AA (talk) 21:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Mostly from archive and census sources. Railway records are at The National Archive, but a few are digitised and available through Ancestry.com, including, fortuitously, some London & South Western Railway clerical staff; the 1939 register of non-combatants is also digitised and identifies him as a PSV driver (which is presumably why he's a non-combatant); and probate records are available through Ancestry too. I can send you some links/references over the weekend if I get time. I couldn't see anything on BNA. All pretty much OR, of course... Johnlp (talk) 23:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Haha well, not that I have ever done OR in the past to solve a mystery or two ;) Would be much appreciated if you could send them over, cheers! AA (talk) 18:26, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Mostly from archive and census sources. Railway records are at The National Archive, but a few are digitised and available through Ancestry.com, including, fortuitously, some London & South Western Railway clerical staff; the 1939 register of non-combatants is also digitised and identifies him as a PSV driver (which is presumably why he's a non-combatant); and probate records are available through Ancestry too. I can send you some links/references over the weekend if I get time. I couldn't see anything on BNA. All pretty much OR, of course... Johnlp (talk) 23:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking a look John. I did wonder the same thing myself, when I couldn't find any Arthur John Hayward's born on that date. Is this all census information or from BNA sources? AA (talk) 21:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
I was just going through the Project's subpages; and noticed the following (A – M),
- Following pages might no longer be needed anymore at all!
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/19th century players – Unused for 8 years.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Any – Not sure why this template type page was created for, but it's not being used anywhere.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Assessment/2008/Failed – Mostly empty page with {{WikiProject Cricket Archive}} banner.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Assessment/2008/Promoted – Mostly empty page with {{WikiProject Cricket Archive}} banner.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Assessment/A-Class review – Not sure if this assessment is even used anymore.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Australian biography worklist – Inactive for 14 years.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Australian biography worklist/Invinc – Inactive for 14 years.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/DASHBot unreferenced BLPs – Unused for 11 years; the bot has been blocked for 11 years now.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Deleted cricket article redirects – Not used for 7 years.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Destubbing miniproject – Inactive for 11 years.
- I think following events shall be restarted from 2025 onwards...
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Collaboration of the fortnight
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Cricket Collaboration of the Month
- Pages needing improvement & re-work,
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Categories – Rename & rework.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Categories2 – Rename & rework.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Cricket subcategories – Rename & rework.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Draftspace cricket articles by 02blythed – Should be re-worked along with {{WikiProject Cricket drafts}}.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Flags – Should include Associate sides as well.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Featured material – Not updated for 4 years.
- ?????
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Graphs – Not sure if this is still active...
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Eden Gardens – There is an Eden Gardens in mainspace.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Key biographies – Not updated in 17 years.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/LUGSTUBS
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Library – Not sure what this was supposed to be...
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/List of cricketer talk pages – Not updated for 17 years.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/List of cricketers/full articles – Not updated for 16 years.
Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
County players without articles
[edit]At the end of the 2024 season these currently contracted players are without articles. I'm not suggesting they all pass GNG (many of them won't) but if any interested takers in creating articles, or simply improving the redirects to list pages (small notes and actual inclusions for some of them) here is a list of players:
- Derbyshire: Yousaf Bin Naeem (4 LA matches)
- Durham: Mitchell Killeen (6 LA matches)
- Glamorgan: Henry Hurle (1 LA match)
- Gloucestershire: Archie Bailey (2 FC matches)
- Lancashire: Charlie Barnard (7 LA matches), Keshana Fonseka (3 LA matches)
- Leicestershire: Alex Green (1 FC, 3 LA matches)
- Middlesex: Ishaan Kaushal (7 LA matches)
- Northamptonshire: Krish Patel (1 FC (for Northants), 1 LA (for Surrey))
- Nottinghamshire: Ben Martindale (8 LA, 7 T20 matches)
- Somerset: Fin Hill (1 LA match)
- Surrey: Tommy Ealham (2 LA matches)
- Sussex: Henry Rogers (6 LA matches)
- Warwickshire: Zen Malik (2 LA matches), Theo Wylie (4 LA matches)
- Worcestershire: Henry Cullen (4 LA, 1 T20 matches)
- Yorkshire: Noah Kelly (1 LA match), Yash Vagadia (2 LA matches)