Talk:Russian Orthodox Church

Ukrainian documents

The recently added information about all the electors of the patriarch being NKGB agents are related to 1945 Pskov Church Congress that elected Patriarch Alexy I of Moscow not Kirill. I have moved the material accordingly.

While the material is interesting I do not think it belongs to a such high level article as Russian Orthodox Church. We do not have an article about Pskov Congress, maybe we should move it to Patriarch Alexy I of Moscow - it was his elections after all? Or maybe Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union?

What do you think? Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Recently, a new interesting article was published, which claims that the current patriarch of the Moscow Patriarchate was a KGB agent in Switzerland. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/kirill-the-patriarch-in-league-with-putin/ Bodia1406 (talk) 22:36, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Kiev jurisdiction

Kiev was transferred to the jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Moscow with an authorization letter, stating that the Metropolitan of Kiev should commemorate the Patriarch of Constantinople and second the Patriarch of Moscow. This resembles the situation in Northern Greece, where 35 dioceses were provisionally transferred to the Church of Greece, while their Metropolitan must commemorate first the Patriarch of Constantinople and then the Holy Synod of the Church of Greece. This indicates that as with the dioceses in Northern Greece, the Patriarchs of Constantinople considered Kiev to be their own territory, whose administration they transferred to the Patriarch of Moscow, while at the same time they preserved their supreme canonical prerogative of being commemorated by the Metropolitan as his own ecclesiastical authority. This wording of the authorization letter became the occasion for the Holy Synod of the Patriarchate of Constantinople in 2018 to issue a decision of revoking the authorization and returning the Kievan territory to its own jurisdiction. Rhodion (talk) 23:22, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

In full schism with Constantinople?

I believe that the Russian Orthodox Church is now in schism with wider Orthodox Church in communion with the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople. In 2018, the Patriarch of Constantinople recognized the Ukrainian Orthodox church as autocephalous. The Patriarch of Moscow responded by breading communion. Would this result in the Russian Orthodox church becoming a separate denomination? Or would that be premature? At any rate the article should probably say more about this. Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:20, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

The schism is currently limited to Russia on one side, the Ecumenical Patriarchate, The Patriarchate of Alexandria, Some diocese of the Greek Orthodox Church (Athens), and the Church of Cyprus on the other. AFAIK the Russian Church is still in full communion with all of the other canonical churches. (The canonical status of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine being in contention.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:17, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Is the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine under attack by Ukraine, or is this Russian propoganda?

I have family in the United States who are convinced that The Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine is currently being bombed and its people destroyed by fascist agents of the Ukrainian army or police forces. Their only source for this is the website https://orthochristian.com/. Without getting into any more detail, I just want to know if there is any substance to these claims or if any if this footage is legitimate or otherwise. The alleged atrocities are current.LkeYHOBSTorItEwA (talk) 02:40, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

The ROC is fully backing Putin's war and their websites have promoted all sorts of horror stories about the schism in Ukraine for years. I do not consider any claim of this nature to be reliable unless backed by mainstream RS sources. Unfortunately that website does not pass RS. That said, war tends to bring out the worst in people and it's entirely possible that the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) may be taking some heat for their connections to a church endorsing a war of aggression on their country. Are they? I don't know. But it wouldn't shock me. But I would not take the world of any source supporting Moscow's side in the war. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:06, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Moscovian Patriarchate has no legitimate right to Ukrainian territory. The Moscow Patriarchate was formed by schism. In the article on Wikipedia, unfortunately, propaganda is presented about the inheritance of the Kyiv Metropolis in 988, but this is not correct, because the Kyiv Metropolis now exists in Ukraine, and it is logical that it should to be considered an heiress. According to Ukrainian documents, the Moscow Patriarchate was created by the Khan of the Golden Horde and placed closer to the center of the Golden Horde in order to control the church. Bodia1406 (talk) 22:41, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Survey on Seraphim Rose page

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about orthofox

in ethiopis many orthodox are killed plz see as 196.191.152.120 (talk) 11:51, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Krill2013.jpg

The jpeg above contains a false or misleading caption "We do not want to fight with anyone. Russia has never attacked anyone. It is surprising that a large and powerful country has never attacked anyone, it has only defended its borders." I have to assume he is talking since Russia became the Russian Federation or he has forgotten a lot of history, such as Finland, Afghanistan etc. I cannot find how to add a cite tag or edit it to anything near truth, help.2404:4408:638C:5E00:1DA:564B:B731:2480 (talk) 15:38, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Individual churches

There should be some route from this article to the following topics, which could also be called "Russian Orthodox Church":

• Russian Orthodox Church of the Resurrection, Montevideo, Uruguay
• Russian Orthodox Church, Sharjah, United Arab Emirates
• Russian Orthodox Church, Tunis, Tunisia

A new disambiguation page with hatnote is an option, but I see there is already a list of churches at Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia#Notable churches. Clearly, each of the three buildings/congregations above is a Russian Orthodox Church outside of Russia (small o), but is it also a Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia (capital O) or is it independent of ROCOR, perhaps via some other self-governing branch? Certes (talk) 22:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

The one in Montevideo belongs to ru:Русская православная церковь заграницей (Агафангела) which has nothing to do with the Russian Orthodox Church. Ymblanter (talk) 21:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

The one in Tunis is under Patriarchal Exarchate of Africa. Ymblanter (talk) 21:53, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

The situation with the church building / congregation is Sharjah is less clear to me. The Russian Wikipedia seems to imply it is under the Department for External Church Relations of the Moscow Patriarchate, but it does not make much sense to me. I hope this helps. Ymblanter (talk) 21:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. It looks like a dab then, with a hatnote on Russian Orthodox Church. We can leave the individual articles to explain how closely linked to ROC or ROCOR each is. Certes (talk) 22:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)