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On 14 December 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Nomads. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Nomads

Nomadic people or nomads are people who move from place to place, rather than settling down in one place. Nomadic cultures are common in history, but are becoming obsolete in industrialised countries, this is due to change in consumerism and lifestyle.Is there a subsection dealing with itinerate people who have a defined areas they dont share as opposed to shared areas

This topic seems stunningly, woefully inadequate to the task of describing nomadism and its historic, cultural, sociological, etc importance to all of humanity. Why are there nomads? When was humanity largely nomadic, and when and why did that end? How big were social groups, what was the world population? This passing description of extant nomads seems more like a curious after-thought to a much broader topic, rather than the meat of it. 71.197.224.221 (talk) 17:03, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nomadic people:

Irish Travelers
Roma and Sinti
there are lots of other nomadic peoples, perhaps some kind person could add them to this alphabetical list?

Nomadic peoples from history:

Mongols

We need to distinguish between nomadic people like the Bedouin of the Negev, and groups of travelers who just wander around. Please work on this distinction. --Ed Poor

There's also a need for information in this encyclopedia distinguishing between "tribes" vs. countries, and clarifying what indigenous people are. The latter article is so mixed up with advocacy that it doesn't seem to say anything intelligble at all.

Bedouin and Masai and the Gypsies (Roma) of Europe are nomadic people, near as I can tell from 20 minutes of web surfing. But I'd hesitate to make an article quite yet. hobohobohobo hehaheaheahaehahaeh yayayaayayayayayayayayayaayay!!!!!!!!!!!!! :):):):):):):):):) What is the difference between a group like the Bodouin or Roma, who wander near or among settled people of established nations -- and subgroupings of people from within a nation or culture who choose to live differently, and forge some sort of distinctive identity? --Ed Poor

Did nomads come before or after agriculturalists?

"Nomad" as the title

Nomad may seem like a better title for this article, partly because it's shorter. I notice that most of the links to this article are through the nomad redirect page. What would people think of moving it? Michael Hardy 22:37, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Actually, Nomad could probably be a disambiguation page. For example, Chevrolet Corvair would link to it and I'm sure the word has appeared in many other names

THREE FINGERS OF FOUR? 3

Removed reference to WiMax

I removed an opening paragraph in the article which dealt with the use of the term Nomad in WiMax networks. Such explications on matters of disambiguation should be placed on the disambiguaiton page. RCSB 23:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Improvement Drive

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Entry in need of cleanup

This entry gives the impression that nomadism and pastoralism are the same thing. Pastoralism or animal husbandry is a subsistence method, and nomadism is not, although the term is sometimes used as shorthand for pastoralism. However, any society which does not remain sedentary for a significant length of time is considered nomadic. This includes most hunter-gatherers, but the entry makes no indication of this. Also there is no logical organization of the information that is presented.--LC | Talk 22:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Attributes of nomads" section

this section clearly contributes nothing to this entry and needs to be removed. it says nothing about nomadism and is instead some kind of story-book account of how nomadism gave way to "civilization." never mind all the conflicting information in the entry about modern nomads who exist within "civilization." if there is no protest to my removing this within 24 hours, i will do so. thanks.--LC | Talk 06:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nomad people built the simple but great society! I dream of living in that style.

Photo title

A color photograph labelled "Kazakh nomads in the steppes of the Russian Empire, ca. 1910"? 1910? Color? Something not right there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thon Brocket (talk • contribs) 16:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Yes, it's a color photograph from 1910. The photographer was Prokudin-Gorskii; you can find more information here:

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/gorskii.html

link for site by anonymous editor above. Dogru144 02:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sea nomads

I don't see how traditionally nomadic sea-based peoples fit into any of the three categories. (See Sea Gypsies for some ethnic groups.) Perhaps they should form a fourth category? Rigadoun (talk) 20:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I saw people living in floating houses on the sea in Vietnam. Gantuya eng 04:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

3 types?

This statement "There are three kinds of nomads" seems to be contadicted by the list of other types below, including RV Lifestyle (that includes me). Some choose to be nomads as it is more interesting than staying in one place. Mobile internet makes it possible for some to work from anywhere now. EdX20 (talk) 19:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

American Military Brats in Europe

This should not have been removed. The definition of other Nomads (for example Roma) are not based on their origin, but where they travel (live).

The same for "Romany" "Gypsies" and "Irish travelers" all are described as living nomadically in the United States.

But wait-- aren't they really all European? Shouldn't they all be moved to where they are from, rather than where they live? (No).

98.245.148.9 (talk) 19:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the other groups are ethnic, as described in the following text. Military brats are not true nomadic people, they are career itinerants. A link in see also is sufficient and prevents this article from getting way off topic. It's always possible that a few other listed items also need to be remove, so please don't use "other stuff exists" as a counter-argument. Yworo (talk) 20:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

career itinerant is synonymous with peripatetic nomad

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An entry on how this relates to military service is intriguing, yet not all members of the military and their families relocate. Some serve their entire careers at a single duty station.

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Further, military nomadism, is a temporary situation within a larger life span Persons may or may not have been nomadic before or after leaving the military.

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The focus of this article is on nomads as cross generational cultures.

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Which is true for some families where children of military personnel also join the military, but less the default as with other nomadic cultural groups.

. 2600:1005:B07C:95B4:1490:F024:5612:2652 (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Military brats are described as a subculture, not just a career (See Military brat (US subculture)).

It is also described as a distinct 200 year old subculture.

It also points out that many military brats from (career military families) move all of their growing up years. It is far more than a career.

98.245.148.9 (talk) 20:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Learn to indent. Also, why are you editing logged out when you have an account? That could be considered a form of sockpuppetry. Yworo (talk) 20:43, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just forgot to sign in.

Telemachus.forward (talk) 20:45, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Military brats have been described by sociologists and researchers as a "modern nomadic subculture".

Ender, Morton, "Military Brats and Other Global Nomads", March 2002, Greenwood Publishing Group, ISBN-13: 9780275972660, ISBN: 0275972666

Telemachus.forward (talk) 20:49, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New age, Deadheads

1. Why are new age travelers listed under Scottish travelers? 2. I would think the population of new age travelers in the USA is higher than the UK just due to larger population, I find it hard to believe this is primarily a UK phenomena. 3. There should be a section for the Deadhead phenomena and related groups(followers of Dead spinoff bands like Phish, String Cheese, etc) under the new age traveller section, although this phenomena preceded the New Age Movement, they are somewhat related. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.61.101.101 (talk) 20:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for the lists?

Have created List of nomadic people, which includes all the lists originally in this article. --Haruth (talk) 18:07, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits

I'm not sure why this edit is needed. The edit added a weasel words tag to a referenced sentence. It may be because the sentence attributed a statement to a whole people, but the edit summary given was "Ghorbat and Shadibaz or Baluch?" which I don't understand in the context of weasel words.
I thought the removal of the paragraph structure in this edit weakened the article by removing the link between the Mali sentence and the great lakes sentence, but after rereading it I think СЛУЖБА is right and the great lakes sentence is a separate edit which is about itinerants as a lifestyle choice in the USA. If so, since it's unreferenced and definitely not relevant to the section on sedentism, it should probably be removed entirely. This article is for nomadic peoples - there's another article for drifters. ~ Kimelea (talk) 21:24, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If You don't like ^[who?], You can put ^{[clarification needed]} instead. What I meant was that I don't understand about whom the Baluch are speaking. About themselves or about Ghorbat and Shadibaz. СЛУЖБА (talk) 18:05, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I seeeeee. Good point. I changed it to clarification needed and stated the reason, so other editors don't get confused about weasel words as I did. That text was a copy-paste from the source (probably an issue in itself) but the source was ambiguous in the same way. I also removed the paragraph about drifters entirely. Hope this is satisfactory to you too. ~ Kimelea (talk) 19:33, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nomads vs hunter gatherers

I don't understand why nomads and hunter gatherers are confused into one category. Nomads are farmers who moved onto poorer lands with their animals. Hunter gatherers are not farmers. Nomads also rely on animal transportation which hunter gatherers do not use. Nomads did not exist before the invention of the wheel and axle. Before this time the steppes in Central Asia were simply not accessible to humans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.78.85.225 (talk) 10:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

the problem is that the categories overlap. "Nomadism" proper is reserved for moving livestock over large distances. But such nomads may sometimes also practice some hunting-gathering and also offer some trade or craft to the sedentary population. This is how the term "nomadism" became leaky.

But this article should be limited to nomadism proper, and refer to the "figurative" use of the term via disambiguation. Especially the numerous "itinerant" groups who do not subsist on livestock should not be treated here. The conflation of these topics just distracts from a proper discussion of the core concept of nomadism, which will be complicated enough to cover in any encyclopedia article. --dab (𒁳) 10:32, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above statement is wrong, humans have lived in the steppes of Central Asia For centuries and that is where the indo European languages originated from. 99.247.39.72 (talk) 23:05, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Peripatetic nomads"

I do not think this term exists. If it does, it is just a tautology. "Peripatetic" means "walking to and fro", it is basically the Greek translation of "itinerant". It is possible that "itinerant groups" are also known as "peripatetic groups", presumably because "itinerant" has already come to be seen as derogatory (the PC hype has accelerated the process of perfectly descriptive terms becoming taboo, so people by now need to keep making up new and increasingly artificial terms on basically a yearly basis).

So "peripatetic group" may be posh or over-the-top PC for "itinerant group". Note the absence of the term "nomad" though, these are not "nomads", and if they are described as "nomadic", that's just due to semantic weakening of this adjective, but it's not the topic to be discussed in this article. --dab (𒁳) 10:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Etymology

@Espoo: your edit here from last year seems to be original research.

This scholarly work: Elena Efimovna Kuz mina; E. E. Kuzmina (2008). The Prehistory of the Silk Road. University of Pennsylvania Press. pp. 5–. ISBN 0-8122-4041-3.

...says the opposite.

You edit also conflicts with wikt:Nomad

Onceinawhile (talk) 10:00, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The etymology is incorrect - late 16th century: from French nomade, via Latin from Greek nomas, nomad- ‘roaming in search of pasture’, from the base of nemein ‘to pasture’.

Why no saami?

Surely the saami should be an example of nomads, given their lifestyle of following the reindeer herd. They're also a relatively well known example Mr anonymous username (talk) 10:48, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which statement about nomads is true?

I have a question: Which statement about nomads is true? A) They sew clothes and aprons out of deerskin. B) They hunt together in the woods in the winter. C) They move with the buffalo herds. Or D) They are part of a council. I would like to know which one!

Before the arrival of the Dutch at the Cape in 1652,the San and the Khoi lived a semi-nomadic lifestyle in the Cape,which included hunting, gathering and farming.

The San had already been living in Southern Africa for a long time, possibly longer than 20 000 years. 41.114.86.96 (talk) 16:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

is rabari from India are nomads

Ethnic group of India 122.170.159.42 (talk) 09:05, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Language

. 2001:8F8:1577:825A:6D1B:72AC:A364:5BF4 (talk) 06:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Social studies

1) The hunter-gatherers lived in small societies. 2)They lived in caves or under tree-shades or rock shades. 3)In search of food,they moved from one place to place.Such people are called nomads. 4)Men,women and children participated in hunting and gathering. They shared the food with all the members of the ground. 223.196.193.34 (talk) 15:17, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nomadic people

How can the nomadic people decrease 197.234.221.91 (talk) 18:51, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Through widespread systemic oppression of and action against nomads. Both socially (sedentary people acting with fear and/or violence) and legally through enactment of vagrancy laws, forced settlement, and forced sterilization. 2600:1005:B07C:95B4:1490:F024:5612:2652 (talk) 20:39, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Who were nomads

In English 43.247.157.186 (talk) 07:16, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 December 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 07:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nomad → Nomads – the term most frequently is used ion plural, because almost always the discussion is about a group and sendom a single person. - Altenmann >talk 23:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:PLURAL, consistent consensus against using plural titles unless absolutely necessary; It's encyclopedic convention because a nomadic group is made up of individuals that can each be described as a nomad, but the inverse isn't true. Orchastrattor (talk) 01:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is a textbook case of WP:PLURAL. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:21, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:PLURAL. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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