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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was no consensus. Page kept. Keep:8.5, merge:5.5, delete:8;

Numanuma

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Is there really a systemic bias towards internet memes and articles which gravitate towards subjects that appeal to children in their late teens and early twenties on Wikipedia? Take this article for example; considering that a number of articles on local politicians, independent films, and university professors are deleted from Wikipedia on a continuous basis, is this meme really that noteworthy? More notable than a Chicago Alderman, a Councillor of Toronto, an adult film star, or a published author? If your answer to this question is "yes", why? For the benefit of others, please explain your vote. GRider\talk 22:44, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • I think the question is whether this is a fad, or whether it's still a valid meme a year from now. "All your base" has been around forever, but many young memes simply die out. Arguably there's only room for a limited amount of memes in the consensual mind. Radiant! 22:49, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes. There really is that level of systemic bias toward internet memes. That's because while wikipedians might come from different countries and different beliefs the one thing ALL and I mean ALL wikipedians have in common is the Internet. ParkingStones 18:36, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Well... it was mentioned in the news (google news) and "numa-numa" has 56,000 google hits. Which means that it has a better notoriety than the Toronto Councillor. Bogdan | Talk 23:11, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • BTW, it was mentioned on New York Times. Bogdan | Talk 23:25, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Does notoriety equate to being encyclopedic? Is Wikipedia's purpose to be an online guide to internet memes, or a "serious" Wikipedia? Which is it? GRider\talk 23:39, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, what's worth saying can be said on the song's page. Gazpacho 23:55, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Wikipedia is vast. It can contain multitudes. Getting too constricted is always a mistake. If the meme fades the requests will fade. This isn't a paper moon or a paper tiger or a paper encyclopedia. It is not so finite. It can let things in that seem to have no lasting significance at the time. Time will take care of interest. What if this kid becomes a New Jersey state senator in 10 years? Stranger things have happened.
    • unsigned vote not counted. Mikkalai 19:42, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Since the above argument can be applied for keeping literally everything, it's not particularly useful or valid. It has already been established that WP should not contain everything. Radiant! 09:52, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)
      • I trust this enthusiasm for keeping every scrap of data that comes into Wiki will be met by a healthy donation to the fundraiser. Wikipedia may not be paper, but servers cost money too. BTW, this is Denni, not logged in. 68.148.200.153 17:28, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
        • The images cost money to store and, especially, to transmit. (IMO) The cost of these smaller articles is trivial. WpZurp 03:42, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. merge. No other notability but being a circulated piece of joke for some time. But I have to amdit that this one has something more in it than many others making faces into a webcam. Mikkalai 00:36, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable. Megan1967 00:44, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, i've seen this video and while it is popular it's a case of, if this is allowed, then isn't any overweight 19 year old singing karaoke into a webcam allowed too? The person who done this video has also been added to Wikipedia as an individual too, that may also be a candidate. - Furthermore, it's hits on Google are mainly through 'funny video' sites which have added it, and not through sources of legitimate meaning. If every George Bush spoof video was added the database would go into meltdown. Hedley 02:19, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • The only way I believe that this page could be merged is if as a sentence in the text for the song itself. There already is a sentence on this in the text on the song, though, so it's pointless to merge at all. Hedley 17:26, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep or merge (indifferent) based on news coverage and google hits. Wikipedia should attempt to cover all topics one might hope to find in an encyclopedia, and not bias itself againt the "non-serious ones". Kappa 02:27, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. --Sn0wflake 03:19, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Since I hadn't voted yet, I wish to concur with Hedley and Delete. Radiant! 09:52, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep ParkingStones 18:36, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Extreme keep. Bah, you trader. This is exactly the type of material that people turn to Wikipedia for. —RaD Man (talk) 19:55, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    Gary Brolsma first posted his "Numa Numa Dance" on Newgrounds.com [1] (http://www.newgrounds.com) on December 12, 2004. Since then it has popped up hundreds of websites and blogs and made appearances on both CNN and VH1's "Best Week Ever."
    • A lot of videos appear on hundreds of websites and blogs but they never get added here. Numanuma already has a full paragraph in Dragostea Din Tei, this article is pretty unnecessary therefore. I think Dragostea Din Tei needs some editing too as theres very little information or truth in the article (and I will possibly correct the errors there pending on the result of this). Hedley 22:27, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
      • I support this opinion fully. --Sn0wflake 22:52, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. --Matteh (talk) 20:04, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. A nonce phenomenon (if even that) which will fade soon. RickK 00:28, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep or, at least, Merge into Dragostea Din Tei. Do not simply delete because someone may run across this term and be curious. On many occasions, Wikipedia has satisfied my curiosity on numerous pop-culture issues. WpZurp 03:38, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Dragostea Din Tei already includes a full paragraph on this so I don't know what a merger would do for this.
      • Fair enough but that paragraph doesn't actually mention "Numanuma"; nor does in mention the "meme" aspect of this evolution. I have just merged in the new information. Anyway, I now change my vote to Redirect but not delete. WpZurp 03:58, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • "First posted on 12 December 2004". If this were a word, the vote would be overwhelming to delete this as a neologism. If this were a research topic, we would delete as "original research". Topics of popular culture should be held to the same standard. It's barely a few months old. This is still a news story. [m:Transwiki|]] to WikiNews. If it's still relevant a year from now, bring it back then. Rossami (talk) 08:00, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Incorrect. "Dragostea Din Tei" was released in countries 2003 thru May 2004, and this videos been around for 9 months. Its not 'news' anymore. -- Hedley 13:26, 20 Feb
  • Merge into Dragostea Din Tei, redirect to discourage recreation - David Gerard 23:46, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Already covered in Dragostea Din Tei. — Gwalla | Talk 02:05, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. r3m0t 15:43, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with the entry for "Dragostea Din Tei". 21 Feb. 2005
  • Merge into Dragostea Din Tei 21 Feb. 2005
  • Keep. Wikipedia is an excellent encyclopaedia of popular culture and I think we should always try to improve it as such. I reject the dichotomy of the lead - I'll quite happily keep articles about local politicians although I wouldn't consider myself an inclusionist extremist. Haukurth 19:12, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. ComCat 08:37, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not encyclopedic. --BM 14:04, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I came to Wikipedia looking for information on this. -- Seth Ilys 05:18, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep -- Gary Brolsma and the Numanuma are a pop-cultural phenomenon, definitely notable. They've been mentioned on "Good Morning America", CNN and in the New York Times (see this link). Or, type in "Gary Brolsma" on Yahoo.com under "News", and there will be a link to the NY Times. -- 67.81.191.226; 02:28, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • anon vote disregarded, but thanks for insigts. Mikkalai 19:42, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep It's definitly notable, heck, that's why I looked it up!--Perfection 07:05, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep The February 26, 2005 article about Numa Numa in the New York Times ("Internet Fame Is Cruel Mistress for a Dancer of the Numa Numa" by Alan Feuer and Jason George) was the site's top forwarded article for the day (and continues to be so as of this writing). The issue of Internet privacy is important here; as a means to discuss that issue, Numa Numa is a useful touchstone. And given the fact that the curious might want to know the words and meaning to the song, among other things, this seems a notable and worthwhile entry. Sandover 16:03, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep is a fantastic meme. Mateusc 22:27, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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