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At $3 a foot you cant afford many climbs on this baby.

Actually it's something more like $250 a foot, seeing at it cost somewhere over $500k. --Alexwcovington 07:05, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Owner

I'm positive that shortly after the tower's completion, it was donated to the North Dakota University System for tax reasons, though KTHI got permanent use and maintenance responsibilities. However, I couldn't find anything to back this up. I'll have to keep checking. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.107.250.212 (talk) 18:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why?

Anyone got any ideas about why the government banned taller buildings?

All larger North Dakota cities (grand forks, gargo, bismarck) have a limit on the height of buildings due to strong winds associated with the area.

This is not true, and is also irrelevant- the FAA inacted the hight limit, which means it has to do with aviation. -JWGreen 00:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would imagine it's because anything that tall becomes a hazard to navigation. Prior to aircraft takeoff all obstructions must be cleared. Numerous 2,000 foot obstructions would be obstacles to most civil and some military aviation.

I do not believe that 2,063 ft was the original height of KVLY's tower. I believe that some time after it was erected, a helicopter hit a guy wire and the tower fell and had to be replaced. I do not remember details, but I think they shouldn't be hard to track down.

sandiandray@msn.com

A helicopter did not hit this tower, it hit the nearby KXJB tower. The tower's original hight is 2,063. It has not been replaced.-JWGreen 00:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the coordinates given in the article are for Grand Forks, ND... not the tower location... -JWGreen 05:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why doesn't anybody go the extra 577 feet and make it a full half-mile in the sky? That's a lot of climbing to replace a lightbulb though. BirdValiant 23:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The FAA doesn't allow towers higher than 2,063 ft- however that rule was enacted after the tower was erected. -JWGreen 04:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Something wrong with pricing on the page... 500k is not 3.2 million in the past.

I work in the telecom industry and am very familiar with the rules for antenna structures. In looking at the current rules you will find that there is no basis for this 2063ft reference. Title 14(FAA Regulations) subpart A section 77.3, Subpart B section 77.13 and Subpart C section 77.23 of the Code of Federal Regulations, which are the sections dealing with "Obstructions", says nothing about an absolute height limit. There are only limits on height based on calculations that take into consideration distance to the surrounding runways and air fields. However, Title 47(FCC Regulations) part 17 does not allow antenna structures taller than 1000ft without FAA approval and any stucture taller than 200ft does have to be registered with the FAA. I thinks this part of the article should be removed as there is no proof to it. Alfordap (talk) 21:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/policy/dtv/lighting.html states "Although there is no absolute height limit for antenna towers, both agencies have established a rebuttable presumption against structures over 2,000 feet above ground level." It then goes on to give a brief summary on what it would take each agency (FCC and FAA) to approve a taller structure in "exceptional cases". vmz (talk) 23:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Position in Google Maps?

Can somebody include the coordinates of the KVLY? It would make easier to locate it in Google maps. Thanks.

Just added the coordinate template, should help everyone. --Bobak 18:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tallest structure

I removed the statement added by an IP user that the tower hight had been surpassed by Burj Dubai as of yesturday, as the official website for the tower still lists its hight at 604.9 meters^[1]. -JWGreen (talk) 19:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How many years has to pass by since the Russian tower collapsed before the KVLY tower becomes the second tallest structure? :)

-Parsa (talk) 22:24, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two questions

# Has Alain Robert done it
# Can somebody post a picture taken at the top, please? Maybe KVLY has some in their archive.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suprahili (talk • contribs) 04:25, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

^ http://www.burjdubai.com/

Well, the official website now lists it as 629 metres and it hasn't been updated in almost two months. It is now taller than the KVLY-TV Mast. 24.226.77.23 (talk) 13:29, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

broadcast area

100 miles; are you kidding me? That must mean that's how far it goes till it hits the ground; surly it could easily be received at 120 miles or better considering the average TV station is received easy enough at over 60 miles; and up to 100 in cases. In fact, looking at it that way; it should be receivable at 150 miles. Daniel Christensen (talk) 08:23, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Elevator?

There's an elevator in that thing? No way; all I see is a ladder. Daniel Christensen (talk) 00:53, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Of course there's an elevator. It wouldn't be practical to have maintenance crews climb the entire distance. If nothing else, it would take too long.

You are probably looking for an enclosed elevator shaft. There isn't one. The elevator is pulled up by cables and rides up the framework of the tower.Ormewood (talk) 21:01, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a link to a page which has a photo of a broadcast tower's elevator. Note the cables, and the lack of an enclosed elevator shaft. This is the view from inside a tower elevator. Ormewood (talk) 17:21, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discrepancy of dates for record

The KVLY-TV mast says it was completed on August 13, 1963. The WIMZ-FM article says its mast was completed in September 1963. So when exactly did the WIMZ-FM mast hold the world height record? jnestorius^(talk) 15:04, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a "lattice tower"?

The Wikipedia article on lattice towers says that lattice towers are free-standing, i.e. no guy wires, yet the KVLY-TV mast article describes it as a lattice tower.Ormewood (talk) 20:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, this is a "guyed" tower. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.92.220.10 (talk) 21:13, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

First structure to exceed 2,000 feet?

Based on the construction dates listed elsewhere here on Wikipedia, it would appear that this tower was the first human-made structure to exceed 2,000 feet in height. This might be worth noting. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 00:39, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Height Reduction

This tower is no longer 2,063 feet. The top mount "bat wing" antenna was removed as part of the repack project, and the overall tower height has been reduced from 2,063 feet to 1,987 feet, per the FCC ASR records. The ASR record was modified in October 2019 to reflect the change in height. The article and others referencing this tower should be adjusted. https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/asrRegistration.jsp?regKey=608746 NECRAT^{Plates On} 23:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can not find any references which confirm or refute this, except for the height. For example, the provided link only lists the height, but it does not explicitly state that the height was reduced, or which kind of antenna was removed, or which project was the cause for this action. This is not only an issue in this artice, but also over at KRDK-TV mast.--77.20.248.68 (talk) 23:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.burjdubai.com/

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