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Madrid was a Geography and places good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
March 7, 2007	Peer review	Reviewed
September 12, 2007	Good article nominee	Not listed

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Lead section

I think that there is a tad too much namedropping of organizations and buildings in the introductory section. They are not essential to presenting the topic, and, in any case, they might be circunvented by a generic statement backed up by a secondary source. Do you agree on a trimming?--Asqueladd (talk) 13:29, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Palaces

This page says that: The King of Spain, the country's head of state, has his official residence in the Zarzuela Palace. That confused me - I though the Royal Palace on Calle de Bailén was the official one.
The Zarzuela Palace page says that: the Zarzuela Palace is the residence and working offices of the reigning monarch of Spain, although the official residence of the Spanish royal family is the Royal Palace of Madrid. The Zarzuela Palace is on the outskirts of Madrid.
As others might be confuused too, I added that distinction to this page, taking the information directly from the Zarzuela Palace page. I phrased it as:

'The Zarzuela Palace, on the outskirts of Madrid, is the residence and working offices of the reigning monarch of Spain (King Felipe VI), although the official residence of the Spanish royal family is the Royal Palace of Madrid.'

I also added line breaks to the section, to distinguish the information about royal, presidential and parliamentary buildings. I didn't change the words.

Someone reverted my edit immediately. Does anyone else consider my edit to be no clear improvement?

Ministry (talk) 17:35, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was founded in 109.118.105.102 (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

La Zarzuela complex is for all purposes the formal residence of the currently-reigning Bourbon family since 1963, (meaning indeed "official" to some) and the building in which most protocolary (but not all) events pertaining the government role of the ruling monarch take place, as a proper "seat of power". As whether labelling it as official or not inline (given that you might find indeed crappy sources labelling the Royal Palace also as the "official" residence), I personally don't care (after all, the official descriptor and its dichotomy with "non-official" is perhaps extraneous to reality and not relevant in this context), but La Zarzuela is the main protocolary building and labelling it as non-official is asinine. The Royal Palace hardly features any role other than some events in which little soldiers with saber are required and the esplanade next to the Royal Palace is used. All in all, it can be summed up as La Zarzuela complex being the working offices (so much that, akin to Moncloa for government, Zarzuela is used as a metonymy for Royal House) and formal residence of the Monarch and their family (and the only one worthy of mention as a seat of power in the article).--Asqueladd (talk) 12:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Che ne so io 95.235.32.33 (talk) 19:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Climate classification

Madrid isn’t cold enough anymore, to be designated as cold semi arid https://www.mindat.org/climate-BSk.html דולב חולב (talk) 09:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And with its vegetation and 4 seasons like conditions, it might be more of a Dsa climate. But again not cold enough for it. דולב חולב (talk) 09:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main criteria for BSk designation is to have an annual mean temperature below 18 C (mean daily temp row in colorful boxes).

This way Madrid would be BSk with no doubt, a doubtable case would be Oran which is between 17 and 18.PAper GOL (talk) 20:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes…. But if the place is wet enough, it would have a wetter climate classification right? דולב חולב (talk) 14:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was talking about cold/hot difference which you mentioned in the first comment.

Madrid is halfway between BSk and Csa.PAper GOL (talk) 14:31, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Madrid is the only European capital with semi-arid climate?

@Uness232 Even though there are areas of the Athens Metropolitan Area that are classified as hot semi-arid, the city center is Mediterranean, something that does not occur in Madrid, since the center of Madrid is cold semi-arid. Most of the Madrid metropolitan area is cold semi-arid, while in Athens it is Mediterranean. In the article, it specifically refers to the city's climate and not its metropolitan area, since for the latter there is the article of Climate of Madrid. Farell37 (talk) 15:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Farell37 This is true, but my point problematizes these absolute statements; Athens, if thought of as a metropolitan area, also has a semi-arid climate. You might not be thinking in those lines, but there's nothing stopping people from considering the metropolitan area (indeed the climate section on Athens article covers the metropolitan area not just the city boundaries).

Either way, a claim like would need a reliable source. Uness232 (talk) 16:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even with all that said we still have an half-Asian case that is Nicosia. Isn’t it better to not have such statement here?PAper GOL (talk) 21:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is important to keep in mind that Nicosia is not entirely located in Europe. Part of it is in Europe, while another part is in Asia. With regard to the climate context, it is much more appropriate to take Europe's geography into account than its geopolitics, as climate is an area of atmospheric sciences and geography. Making Nicosia part of Europe generates many controversies. Farell37 (talk) 21:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]